Today, Claire is joined by Lisa Yebuah. Their conversation encompasses everything from antiracism to sitting on the mourner’s bench to sabbath as resistance to joy unspeakable joy…and more. Being with Lisa is like all the elements of earth, fire, water, and air decided to have a gathering and they decided to gather and dance inside a person, inside Lisa. She is equal parts fire and water, earth and air, inviting us all to dance at the feet of justice and of joy.